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    ting17, sunday 10TH of April 2005, 18:00 UTC (20:00 CEST)[edit]

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    See also the talk-page for the ting17_talk. (same as discussion in the orange bar above)


    ting17_document


    Participants:

    • ma: Mattis Manzel
    • lk: Lion Kimbro
    • F: Fabi alias MoinMoin:FlorianFesti

    Minutes:

    • Local Names
    • Wiki Name Service
    • Metadata System (MachineCodeBlock)

    Fundamental Issues:

    • general metadata
    • RSS feeds / RecentChanges
    • Local Names / linking systems

    MachineCodeBlock for Wiki[edit]

    This is what the MachineCodeBlock looks like for an individual wiki instance.

    That is, a particular wiki in the world. Not "MoinMoin," but rather, "a particular MoinMoin." Not "MediaWiki," but rather, "a particular Mediawiki wiki, such as the Seattle wiki."

    <machinecode>
    title: Interwiki name
    base-url: (URL to add the page name to, use $NAME if it goes inside a pattern)
    front-page: (page name)
    engine: (URL of MachineCodeBlock)
    engine-title: name of engine (human readable)
    description: one line wiki description
    default-licence: URL (text or machinecodeblock or HTML or two-in-one or...)
    default-licence-title: human readable license title
    language: of the content use two chars.
    neigbour: (URL of neighboring wiki's MachineCodeBlock)
    neighbor: (URL of another neighboring wiki's MachineCodeBlock...)
    participant: (URL of a participants' MachineCodeBlock)
    participant: ...
    participant: ...
    maintainer: (URL of host maintainer's MachineCodeBlock)
    </machinecode>
    

    There may be more things to be added.

    update on community-wiki: community-wiki

    Time Stamps?[edit]

    validuntil: timestamp (XXX get standard name)
    

    L: I'm woried about this, wouldn't you have to change this every day, or however often you update?

    F: hmm, good point...

    time-to-live: (in days?)
    time-to-live-s: (in seconds, optional, if people wanted it?)
    

    F: May be we leave this open. There are some technical issues to be clearified before this can get a final state.

    host: ?[edit]

    host: (URL of MachineCodeBlock representing host information)
    

    L: Conceivably, we may want to link to information about the particular host machine that the wiki is served by, for charting purpose or whatever.

    MachineCodeBlock for WikiEngine[edit]

    <machinecode>
    title: Name of wiki engine
    development-wiki: (URL to machinecode block of development wiki)
    version: (one version number)
    wikirpc_v1 : relURL
    wikirpc_v2 : relURL
    remove-from-base: (* see discusion below)
    revisions: ordinals (** see discusion below; alternatives: "iso8601", "milliseconds") 
    
    recentchanges : (relURL)
    rss : (relURL)
    per-page-rss: (relURL, optional $NAME)
    page-list : (relURL)
    plaintext-page-list: (relURL)
    search : (relURL $PATTERN)
    search-titles: (relURL, $PATTERN)
    
    view-rev : (relURL, $REV, optional $NAME)
    view-source : (relURL, optional $name) view markup as plain text
    view-source-rev : (relURL, $REV, optional $name) view markup as plain text
    view-printable :(relURL, optional $name) printer friendly version
    view-printable-rev :(relURL, $REV, optional $name) printer friendly version
    page-info: (relURL, optional $NAME)
    page-history: (relURL optional $NAME)
    page-edit: (relURL optional $NAME )
    page-edit-rev: (relURL, $REV, optional $NAME) - edit from a version
    last-diff: (relURL, optional $NAME)
    rev-to-rev-diff: (relURL, $EARLIER, $LATER, optional $NAME)
    rev-to-next-diff: (relURL, $EARLIER, optional $NAME)
    rev-to-current-diff: (relURL, $EARLIER, optional $NAME)
    </machinecode>
    

    There may be more things to be added.


    RSS 0.x, 1.0, 1.x, 2.0, ATOM,...[edit]

    L: OH- what about diferent RSS forms?!? yikes. ATOM, too..

    L: Well, RSS feeds ARE pretty identifiable,..


    Handling Revisions[edit]

    How do we deal with the optional $REV stuff?

    • "I want a printable version of page Foo v34."
    • "I want to view source for version 45."

    Dillema:

    • If you put $REV into the form, then clients are required to figure out the current version number.

    F: we need to provide extra entries for that.

    LK: Okay, so like: view-source-rev, view-printable-rev,...

    LK: I worry about possibilities stacking up, combinatorial explosions. But perhaps we can just pick favorites.

    F: We do only provide that entries that the engine supports. May be not even all.

    Optional Names[edit]

    When $NAME is optional, that means: if page $NAME isn't found, it's appended at the end.

    This is because people are used to Intermaps that say, "foo http://blahblah/?page=", where the page is supposed to be automatically appended at the end.

    Older Material[edit]

    Multiple Versions of Engines[edit]

    Ah, we may have one MachineCode block per version.

    I think that's the way to do this, since information may change version to version.

    Customized Engines[edit]

    If you create a customized version of an engine, provide your own <machinecode> block.

    Parameters[edit]

    Several services need to recieve parameters:

    • revision (number?)

    LK: We do this with things like "$REV" or "$EARLIER" and "$LATER".

    F: That's not the point. The point is: How does the revision number look like and wher do we get it from?

    LK: Hm, I would feel that that's beyond the scope of the imediate specification.

    LK: I don't know what differnt engines use, beyond just: '1", "2", "3", and naming dates ISO8601 or whatever.

    F: Moin uses timestamp in milliseconds AFAIK.

    LK: Ah, I see. I think a user has to name the revision, for now. Maybe we should have an entry: "revision-numbers:" with the value: "iso8601", "ordinals", or "miliseconds", for now.

    F: yes, but we'll ahve a look at it later on as this depends on the wiki engine implementations.

    LK: If someone makes up a new form, they can just make up a value, I suppose.

    LK: Let's put an entry in our format, and (**) it to look down here.

    • $PATTERN
      • URL quoting?
      • What is allowed?

    May be just leave this open and beyond this standard.

    Relative URLS[edit]

    relURL's:

    wikirpc_v1 : "?action=xmlrpc2"

    (I suspect whatever we come up with, will be used in most MachineCodeBlocks.) (ah, I see: they go on top of the base URL) (I'm worried about those wiki that do page names like:

      http://wiki.example.net/pagename/  )
    

    (see more, following, on ways of doing page/xml-rpc pointing)

    Posible Ways of Doing Page & XML-RPC pointing[edit]

    The issue is:

    Also, some engines allow customizing the URL pattern. A wiki needs to be able to overide some typical information from the WikiEngine.


    Remove-From-Base method[edit]


    Wiki Engine's Block -----
    <machinecode>
    removefrombase : "pages/"
    xmlrpc_v1 : "?action=xmlrpc"
    ...
    </machinecode>
    

    Wiki's Block -----
    <machinecode>
    ...
    engine: (URL of engine)
    ...
    </machinecode>
    

    * ugly: What's the "base"?
    


    Dual-Base method[edit]


    Wiki Engine's Block -----
    <machinecode>
    ...
    xmlrpc_v1: ?action=XML-RPCv1
    page_urls: pages/$NAME/
    ...
    </machinecode>
    

    Wiki's Block -----
    <machinecode>
    ...
    engine: (URL of engine)
    base: http://thiswiki.example.com/
    ...
    </machinecode>
    

    • disadvantage: you have to calculate to get the page_url pattern, the page_url pattern is the most common use

    Closing[edit]

    F: I am getting tiered. Are there any important points left?

    LK: I don't think so; I need to depart for a couple hours; Let's call this it, for now; Our "sketch" of how thes work.

    F: *arg* we forgot the most important part, no page list

    LK: RSS feed. {:)}=

    LK: per-page, and per-whole-wiki.

    LK: true!

    F: Ok, let's call it a day!

    LK: agreed! {:)}= It's been good.

    LK: Take care, I'll see you later. {:)}=


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