Wiki-Woodstock
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w i k i - W o o d s t o c k
~ three days of love and wiki ~
the geeks' repetitive online-happening for everybody
wiki-Woodstock is setting off for a global collaboration orgy.
main working-wiki
other places dealing with it
relevant tings
(the _document pages on article)
plain text on http://is-root.de/moonedit/wiki-Woodstock/
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moonedit-page for wiki-Woodstock
the main wiki is
http://oddwiki.taoriver.net/wiki.pl/wikiWoodstock/HomePage
the page is included on http://is-root.de/wiki/index.php/Wiki-Woodstock
script => enter command => svsavetxt saves the actual contents on the plain-text file. Hiting refresh + shift (in firefox) makes the changes visible in the browser.
So if you're working on something interesting here and want someone else to join in, so svsavetxt and send the person the url of the wiki-page.
Of relevance for wiki-Woodstock have been also
* ting26
* ting27
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ma: = Mattis Manzel
xtof: = Christophe Ducamp
seb: = SébastienSauteur
mut: = DanielZahn
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ma: Ambroise?
seb: salut Mattis
Hi
Ambroise
ma: What we do is connect by skype and moonedit. This hasn't been tested enough and should be done. Skype obviously offers no common surface for writing (a collab-editor integrated would be nice but too much to ask for now).
I have been pretty ambitiously starting wiki-Woodstock, making the wiki for it. I follow my feel doing stuff. I start on things when I sense an inner signal to do so rather than evaluating external facts (like thinking about if this could be successfull or similar questions that usually just slow you down). A few days ago Lion discovered about ''chalks'' and Phil from ''Gobby'' recontacted me and I realized that it is more of a serious and advanced project than I first thought it is. A while ago I had already somewhere said about MoonEdit and Skype: ''You can't start a revolution with two lame donkeys.'' - meaning with ''lame'' the fact that both MoonEdit and Skype are closed source programs. For a non-programmer like me (and most of all other computer users) it is difficult to understand why it makes a difference what license a program is under if the program itself is working propperly (like both Skype and Moonedit do). But it is a hell of a difference.
Wiki-Woodstock means being creative and being productive with this creatvity. It is certainly no Woodstock Festival. Online you can not watch over the hill and see hundreds of thousands of people who gathered. You can not write altogether on one page, jam in one online-session or paint on one online-picture. Three or five people at a time - that makes sense. What could give you the sensation of the view over the crowded hills of Woodstock is to see all the results of all the different small group activities gathered in one place and all together clearly saying one thing: ''This is free and open and it belongs to everybody.''
Creating such activity is hardly impossible when using two programs as major colums for the ongoing communication which themselves are fundamentally different to what the results of their applications is supposed to be. I can not rationally explain why, it is rather a paradox I sensed strongly some days ago when seeing the efforts for a free and open collab-editor. That's when my inner signal to care for wiki-Woodstock dimmed out and an inner signal to ''care for a free and open collab-editor first'' lit up. It's not that I gave up wiki-Woodstock, no, not at all. But I realized trying to make it lift off is flogging a dead-horse as long as the tools (or at least the collab-editor to use) are not as free and open as the results are, that are supposed to be produced with them. I then focused on the collab-editors, made the wikipedia and community-wiki pages ... - and today now there is wiki-Woodstock, well.
Explain rationally: Propietary tools and free and open results are ''incompatible''. Wikipedia works, free and open results achieved with a free and open tool (mediawiki). GNU/GPL. You can only integrate a tool that has the same license, else it would spoil the whole thing. It has to be kept clean from closed and non-free software. Article-tings for wikipedia-articles are not imagineable with MoonEdit (as it is today, closed). A free and open collab-editor is a completely different story. it has the potential to be integrated with other free and open software.
Try to see it with the programmers eyes. They are most important as they are capable to modify and improve the tool. For them MoonEdit looks just like for the non-programmers. All they can work with are the different commands in the menu bar. But they can not understand how it works, they can not adapt it. It is Tom's secret how to do that. Mediawiki on the contrary can be changed and improved by all of them. MoonEdit is a blackbox. Even if there wouldn't be this incompatibility the programmers could not make use of it. It is therefore completely uninteresting for them.
For the artistic part of wiki-Woodstock the free arts license seems perfect.
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Langue Française :
xtof : En cours de travail avec Frédéric Soussin a Pau pour imaginer une démo vidéo pour faire connaître wiki aux débutants. Have you heard of some ScreenCast dedicated on wikis and collaborative editor ?
seb : Salut Christophe. Bon j'ai besoin d'un café.. je reviens plus tard..
ma: bon cafe'! (How the hell did he do the accent on the e'?) There is a nice demo video (flash? dunno) on a wikipedia-article abbout the use of umlauts in heavy metal band mames, like motoerhead (I'm on Linux and haven't even got o-Umlaut). It shows how it grows and gets improved. Pretty good and interesting. Haven`t got the url, sorry. Ca ce n'est pas en langue française, vrai, sorry.
mut: first push the accent key (nothing seems to happen), and then hit the "e" key, or (shift +accent for the other one) ´`
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xtof: ma : héhé ; here is the url of the history of o-umlaut : http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/gems/umlaut.html
mut: where is the dns problem / lion ?
ma: Hey mutante. told lion to precise it on community-wiki: mother-wiki
e accent doesn't do it on my ubuntu. Isn't configured right.
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