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* ma: = Mattis Manzel
* lk: = Lion Kimbro
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ma: morning/evening.
lk: g'morning!
ma: bzz! (pleasure sound)
lk: Bayle Shanks & I talked by Skype yesterday. Not quite the Wiki Woodstock we were imagining, but it was great to talk with him. {:)}=
ma: I saw he has skype now.
lk: He got Skype because he liked the idea of the Wiki Woodstock. I think we should talk about where to take it - I think we should continue with this idea.
Specificly, several people think it is a good idea. Helmut, Bayle, as well as you and I and Christophe.
ma: Agree, we should continue. It was clear (almost) that the No. 1 I set would be a bit early, nevermind.
lk: I think it will just take some time to grow it.
(lion's opening another MoonEdit window.)
ma: The problems with Oddwiki solved? I noticed no big ones.
lk: You know; We noticed that too. And I have no idea about why it's working now, and wasn't working yesterday. I haven't touched the computer, I haven't done anything with it. Things are just working now. So, I dunno. {:P}=
ma: we here reduced the old law of never touch a running system to ''never touch a system''.
lk: (laugh) quite right, quite right.
So, I was thinking, perhaps this is how we should approach WikiWoodstock:
* Every 3 months, on a weekend day, is WikiWoodstock.
* It's throughout the day, without time limits.
* However, there is a specific point during the day that is a target, so everyone can be sure to meet everyone else gathered together.
How do you feel about it?
ma: It might turn out 3 months, maybe not. What I thought is letting it come, and that's exactly what I do. You say 3 month, I think that's good. Nothing predefined though. When the community comes to making it earlier or later react on it. Making it parallel to other events to support them is good I think. 4 to 8 of August with wikimania is my proposition for the next one.
lk: I'm thinking that the date should be set, and here's my thinking why: For calendaring. People want to be able to say, "I don't have time for weekly meetings, but I can meet once in a blue moon. But I need to plan ahead for it."
ma: Setting dates, sure. Looking forward and set the date, maybe in a week or two when we have all propositions. (or tomorrow, k, as we have them already, :)
lk: I see; We just need to be able to negotiate the dates around parallel events.
Okay, I'm editing CW:WikiWoodstock right now, I'm going to list our proposed next date: (4 or 8 of August?) (Is one of those days a Saturday or Sunday?)
Now, did I understand you right, saying that, somewhere on the INternet, there's allready a yearly gathering?
ma: thursday to monday. = wikimania sry.
lk: I don't think that WikiWoodstock is quite at the point where people will stay for four days; Bayle and I talked for (I think) 2 hours. If there were lots and lots of people around, I can imagine it lasting longer. But, it seems like we're not quite there yet, to me, since there were only two of us there yesterday..!
But I think if we make this a regular thing, that it will grow. If we discover other groups that we are sympathetic to doing the same thing, then we can merge with them.
ma: looking around for groups and also looking for new applications of know programms / program combinations and for unknown programs too. There's so much new it seems to me.
lk: I recall that you wrote (somewhere) about WikiWoodstock and another group on the Internet doing something very similar - some kind of net-wide meeting. I thought that was fantastic, and perhaps we can merge with them somehow. Meet at their meet, and all.
ma: netstock, music guys, they made streamed concert, no jam-sessions. The starfrosch folks from the Bern-wiki were involved, we mailed.
lk: (I've posted to CW)
lk: I'm looking up the netstockfest, right now.
ma: So, hopefully it survives the early insemination. Bzz!
lk: Ah, I see it- Khavi Collective is listed in there; I know them. I've talked with them before. I don't know how to merge the events together, since we're more focused on talking with each other, and they are more focused on music broadcast. If we could somehow merge the streams, that would be ideal. But I don't know how to do that.
ma: It's stil unclear if you can really play music real-time over skype.
lk: Yeah. It takes a long time for light to get around the globe. Light's pretty fast, but it takes only a handful of milliseconds to get out of sync, musically.
ma: a free and open collab-editor til august, What you think, No chance , eh?
lk: Actuallly - I think we should start using Gobby. I've downloaded it. {:)}=
ma: the installation instuctions make me dizzy.
lk: Hm, let me go check it out... I've got the installer right here, just haven't run it yet. What OS are you using?
ma: read on the page wiki-Woodstock, here on is-root.de Am I right that the free and open collab editor is of essential importance for wiki-Woodstock (and all other applications like article-tings on wikipedia?)
lk: I think so, though there are a lot of other technologies we would like as well. ( obviously :) )
Bayle and I talked a little bit about a very useful app: Something that would make it so you could automatically conjure a medium and a channel on all the other participants' computers. So, say for example you say, "Everyone, we meet at #onebigsoup on irc.freenode.net." Then it automatically starts the software on everybody's computer, and logs them into irc.freenode.net, and automatically takes them to the same channel. And then, "Everyone, we meet at moonedit at is-root.de:32123 in page foo.txt," and then it automatically takes everyone there. That's a major piece of software that we want and need. It would be terribly useful, because the cost of transitioning to a more appropriate medium is just so terribly expensive.
ma: mp.3 file or voice to text transscription of your chat with Bayle? ;)
Wait a minute, mp3 is not a dream, taking out personal stuff with audacity is no big deal and you could podcast it.
lk: We were doing, uh, what do you call it... Skype. {:)}= Can you save Skype transcripts?
ma: The guys I jammed with sent me a mp3 the day later. voice to text is a pain in ...
lk: Neat! Oh, well - we can record the sound into a .WAV file, I think, and then convert the .WAV to .OGG.
ma: they had a program to do it.
lk: We can figure that out, and we can figure out how to podcast it as well. That's a great idea.
ma: It interests me this podcast thingy. Had no time yet, too many ideas. Want to make a node-wiki-for-political-wikis. Angela said no, s23 is not ready and Oddwiki didn't work yesterday evening.
lk: I don't think that node-wiki work, because it means that you have to keep up with a very large number of sites.
ma: they turn out to be lists, pretty useful nevertheless. Getting people post on them, news for their kind of wiki comes, I think, when the list are halfways impressing.
lk: Lists are useful, but I think- I think the lists should all be kept somewhere where it's easy to watch them all.
lk: Like, let's take IntComm, for example. There's ONE page on (hang on a sec)
ma: there is the clear advantage of our written conversation to the spoken one you had with Bayle that this here is transparent and conserved in text. Writing is slow. Recording and roughly cleaning from burpses and other private stuff seems easy to me. Just cut it out. Then podcasting it, and the cream of it gets manually transscribed by people. Thinking into the future, know? Maybe voice to text develops.
lk: just a moment, editing other doc (update)
lk: Yes, yes: Clear advantages. But, same the other way as well. :\
ma: sure. Combine :)
lk: I think that speech-to-text will work, it's just going to be another 2-5 more years before we can start regularly applying it over our programs. There's other infrastructure we need, as well, before it can be truely fluid.
ma: 2-5? With mac on intel next june? Earlier.
lk: Uh, well: Even mac doesn't have great speech-to-text, is my understanding... We're going to be putting out boatloads of speech, ...
ma: dunno honestly. Pretending.
lk: Well, I hope you are right. {:)}=
ma: I love three instead of two OSes on my PC. How open will mac be and how tight the collaboration with Linux?
lk: Well, I think I have some bad news for you. :( Mac-on-Intel will still be for Macintosh hardware only. That is, while they are using Intel ''processors,'' the boards and circuitry and all that stuff must still be Macintosh.
ma: :( I missunderstood something. Just the processors, k. Pitty.
lk: It's allright; It's a very common misconception. Yes, part of the reason that Macintosh "just works" is because they very carefully control the hardware platform. For a more extreme example, think of the Nintendo or Gameboy or Playstation 3: They "just work" because there's only ever just ''one'' platform that a given game is made to work on. There's not like in PC's, where you know: You have a hard drive from Korea, and a modem from this other country, and you've got a video card from this guy down the street you know, and, it all has to work together. Standards go a long way, but not nearly as far as complete control over the complete system.
ma: astonomic number of possible hardware combinations, I read. Impressing. At least there nac can't cope up. ;)
lk: (nod)
lk: But, there are coming to be new hardware self-description services and stuff. All this stuff will be more or less solved, relatively shortly (5-10 year span.)
ma: we get along great lion, but about ''short'' we have a different idea, np. :)
lk: (laugh) Tech moves at a glacial pace, especially hardware tech.
lk: Okay, I should be going soon, there's a lot of work to do! Is there anything else right now, immediately?
ma: good ting, thanks, have a nice one!
lk: Okay, we'll shelve it for later. Take care!
ma: ciao
