Talk:TingWiki/ting29
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* ma: MattisManzel
* ur: urgen
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A '''topic-ting''' (or ''article-ting''?) is a real-time session in a collaborative editor for people interested in a topic - covered by several wiki pages (see [http://www.emacswiki/cw/TopicNode community-wiki: topic-node]) or a single page (like for example a wikipedia article). The topic-ting is supposed to improve pages and accelerate the allover working progress in wikilandia.
Different to the ting session there is no new page for every ting. When people meet they do so on the same page. Having diffent level of elaboration like we have _talk and _discussion is more appropriate for topic-tings.
predigested topic string selectivity
* A processor can store strings of code to execute at once repeatedly if there is multiple requests for that pattern.
* My cell phone can guess text strings to reduce the number of buttons I have to click to do text messaging.
* The web will begin to collect strings of context sensitive values that can be stored and called by an index reference.
* Keywords like 'ting' will allow the ability to object-ize subjects ( eg: ting.topics.29.agenda )
* With XML-RPC like thinking the topic strings can be executables allowing for sense and respond environments to be language neutral.
lk: wow- that's a really amazing idea-
ur: hi
lk: Howdy- I'm thinking: What about stylistic differences, though? Or things where there's too man things to say? I guess it would just pick the most probably things, and cycle through them.
ur: ya, start small.
one way... this would be a related to wiki-Woodstock because it controls the decision structure. The definitions that lead to conclusions. CommunityWikiWorldSummit thing,,, a group of people working on the collected / ive strings that archive mutual understandings and can be reassembled to produce more complicated understandings.
lk: Yes, I see: You'd use the corpa (or whatever it's called) of the wiki's text.
lk: Do you know of anyone who is working on this?
ur: I try to shout from the mountain tops, but no.
lk: I think there's a library of code for working from corpa in Python. Are you a programmer?
ur: Just a lowly evangelist. I try to develop but I'm really really slow.
lk: I don't know anybody working on this project. I've already got my hands full for a year at least. But I would keep looking for someone, and I would keep telling people the idea.
lk: Hmm... I'm trying to think if there's more I can do for this idea right now, beyond telling people about it myself.
ur: I've got nsh from #esp on irc.freenode.net tinkering with me. We'll introduce to others after the short version of the storyboard is available.
lk: Now; Are you an IRC regular?
ur: I've been in IRC since about 1989
lk: Okay, you probably know the lay of that land better than me. I don't really know who to refer you to, in that case. ... Let's see...
ur: #bots on irc.perl.org is friendly to semantic based ideas
lk:
lk: Where do you typically hang out on IRC?
ur: Both those places and others, lately looks like six nets and 12 channels
lk: Can you name several of them?
ur: Tibetan Buddhist channels and some required channels to have freeshell accounts and #colinux on irc.oftc.net
lk: Do many of these channels have wiki associated with them?
ur: http://wiki.colinux.org/cgi-bin/
lk: We are working on something that you may find interesting, and may be able to help us with.
lk: It's called "Machine-Code Blocks," and it's a way of writing to a wiki such that it's easy to attach meta-data that can easily span within the wiki, and go without.
lk: Basically: Several wiki have added meta-data formats to their wiki engine. Not all, not many, but several. But the problem is that they can't coordinate with the other meta-data formats in the other wiki, and they tend to be hard or difficult.
lk: We made a format that should work on any wiki: It relies on keywords to identify the block, and the HTML for bold, italic, and A HREF linking to make it easy to recognize syntactic elements. What we want is a data network that works across all wiki. If you hear of people working on meta-data about wiki, please point them to us.
lk: That's it. {:)}=
lk: We spread this idea to other wiki, because this thing works better when working with other groups.
ur: yes sounds like the kind of thing I enjoy thinking about. I'm always working on inter-ontology type ideas.
lk: Oh! Okay. {:)}= We're still working out the specifics of the format. The ''neat'' idea in the implementation, is that A HREF'ed text is replaced by the URL. That is, if you say: "member: LionKimbro," or "member: AlexSchroeder," then that actually is interpreted as: "attach to the member list, http://communitywiki.org/LionKimbro," and then "attach to the member list, http://communitywiki.org/AlexSchroeder." If the wiki uses Interwiki-links, then the replacement is done by the wiki to URL, and it just magically works. If you have (I don't know:) (Wiki:FacadePattern), then that turns to a URL (by the wiki engine) pointing to C2, and then the system should be able to automatically bind it to the data described on that page on that wiki. But it has the nice wiki-like syntax for linking- you don't have to go putting URLs all over the place. (Like in RDF.)
lk: I need to go...
lk: But, it's nice meeting you. {:)}=
lk: Do you have a website?
ur: Not really.. urgyen@gmail.com
lk: Thank you. {:)}= I hope to see you again some day. http://communitywiki.org/LionKimbro.
ur: I'll try to plug into CommunityWiki thing
lk: Okay! Take care. {:)}=
ma: Monday 11:40 AM. F u c k ! Moon-edit didn't work right for me. I did not see anybody come in the page yesterday and just dicovered your text here a moment ago. Fuck! It felt lousy yesterday, I was disappointed nobody came, but it was just stooopid tech stuff. Grrr. That happended before yet, when a ting session stopped to continue for me, the day later I saw the rest of it. It could be a local network problem I might have as well. Three times is minimun for this problem: FUCK!
